Oprah Winfrey and Ava DuVernay talk diversity and #BlackLivesMatter in new interview

Hollywood powerhouses, co-creators and good friends Ava DuVernay and Oprah Winfery grace the latest issue of The Hollywood Reporter.

In their joint interview, the two women speak about #BlackLivesMatter, diversity versus inclusion, and the numerous projects they both have coming out together and separately.

Here are some of the more interesting quotes from the interview.

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DuVernay on her work in the film industry

"The fact that the mainstream starts to gaze at this space doesn’t make it a moment. It makes it a moment for them."

DuVernay, on directing the upcoming 'A Wrinkle In Time' film

"I have more tools to do it and more planks to build the house now, but ultimately if the story is not solid, it doesn't matter how much money you have."

DuVernay, on 'closed doors' in Hollywood

"No, no one's going to stop me from doing what I want to do; I just have to figure out a way to do it that might not be the easy route that my counterparts who don't look like me and identify as I do have."

Oprah, on using the word 'inclusion' instead of 'diversity'

"Now I really eliminated it from my vocabulary because I've learned from her that the word that most articulates what we're looking for is what we want to be: included."

Oprah, on #BlackLivesMatter in film

"Everybody gets caught up in the slogan and the hashtag and the protest. What we're trying to do is get you to feel it."

Oprah, on representation in films and television

"Then I realized that the best way to show that black people are just like everybody else, or that gay people are just like everybody else, is not to do a show about gay people or black fathers raising their children [but] just to include them in a story about raising children. That's how you normalize it and make it OK for everybody else."

You can read the entire interview here.